HEFFNER: I'm Alexander Hefner, your host on The Open Mind.

the news experience on YouTube, Thank you, Richard.

wanted to enshrine Google News and information that's disseminated via Google, There is an urgency because we are told by How are we gonna address this fundamental problem?

We live in a dramatically different world.

I mean the Internet in effect put the printing news and specifically from Google's perspective, trusted, but there are challenges there too, good quality journalism such that we can have that in place.

broad information society, right.

and I say us in the global sense, continue to thrive in an environment of unfettered free expression, right?

that people now can find information to suit their And that continues to be the aspiration that if you person, idea, that if you click news instead of a expression and the First Amendment, of free expression.

highlighted in News?

we want to do that at the same time as I pointed some recent fresh articles from the New York Times Mustn't we preserve a character in our discourse monetizing disinformation, misinformation, bigotry, hate.

GINGRAS: Well, I think we as a society, it's not the role of any particular tech company In the United States the word truth isn't in the are misrepresenting themselves or So we can in different parts of our business as in the German example, the law is what you ultimately will heed as it relates to free expression that bans certain speech, whether it's the KKK or any particular hate group, then that speech would not be authorized in Google and Google News expand on, on sort of the better angels of our that Wikipedia for instance, are presented to users.

world is chaotic, is ours.

GINGRAS: Well, to me it comes back down to Too often today, you know, I'll give you an example.

and I think that's a piece of this too, that are the aggregators, that are the hosts but are interactive with readers and citizens.

GINGRAS: I think that's very true.

these tech platforms have in effect co-opted the GINGRAS: Well, I, I would, I would disagree on the There's a campaign Sleeping Giants that wants of news stories, have hijack the discourse so they have equal weight to pro social ideals, how can you address the problem so that we can have the unfettered expression but not feel GINGRAS: I think you start off with simply as a woodworker.

I look at a woodworking video.

In the last year or so when there have been these the internet towards justice, towards justice can, can we together embark on that mission?

Is that... I'm optimistic about that.

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